and john tester did the right thing. again, he has more time. max baucus -- >> there are democrats who are making noise about not just stopping the flow of money to these democrats but challenging them in primaries next year. going into arkansas and al alaska and challenging begich, if you want revenge, i understand. but if a national group comes at these guys from the left and takes them out in the primary, can you actually win that seat? >> i think so. i think the issue clearly has shifted the politics on this. sometimes i think and like i said to the guests here, i'm green to the politics of a lot of this. a lot of this is speculation on my part. but i am back home in virginia. i am in oak creek, wisconsin, i've been to aurora, colorado. i've been out with some of the survivors on different -- on this issue in different venues. it's very different out there in the america and back home in america. it's this inside the beltway kind of conversations are relevant, but frankly, they're not relevant back home with a lot of americans. we want leade